6 4 April 2016
I
f you’re looking for a chirpy, upbeat assessment of
how humanity will, in the nick of time, get its clappy
act together to tackle dangerous climate change,
then Kevin Anderson is probably not the person you
need to talk to.
Professor of Energy and Climate Change at the Uni-
versity of Manchester and deputy Director of the Tyndall
Centre for Climate Change Research, Anderson is one
of the worlds best known and most influential – and
outspoken – climate
specialists.
On a recent working visit
to Ireland, he ripped into
any complacent notion that
the Paris Agreement signed
up to by almost 200
nations, including Ireland,
last December meant that
we could all relax a little in
the knowledge that our pol-
iticians, guided by the best
scientific advice, are finally
getting on top of this crisis.
Some of his most devastating critique is reserved for
the IPCC itself or, more specifically, the wishful think-
ing that underpins many of its model projections. He
fleshed this out late last year in a commentary piece
published in Nature Geoscience, where he took apart
some egregiously fanciful assumptions.
The complete set of 400 IPCC scenarios for a 50% or
better chance of 2°C assume either an ability to travel
back in time or the successful and large-scale uptake
of speculative negative emission technologies. A sig-
nificant proportion of the scenarios are dependent on
both time travel and geo-engineering, wrote
Anderson.
He repeated this point forcefully during his presenta-
tion at the Royal Irish Academy in Dublin, to the obvious
discomfort of the representative of Ireland’s Environ-
ment Protection Agency, who found himself trying to
explain how completely untested technologies could,
somehow, be massively
deployed to remove
upwards of ten billion
tonnes of carbon dioxide
(CO2) from the air every
year, liquefy it and pipe it
into vast underground
storage where it would
have to remain securely
for at least the next 1,000
years.
Village sat down with
Professor Anderson for an
in-depth interview in
Dublin.
First question: what about our recent steps, such as
the new Climate Act – does Anderson think Ireland is
grasping the nettle of climate change?
“I think certainly not; what Ireland has signed up to
in the recent Paris Agreement, and particularly when
you think that Ireland is one of the wealthier countries
in the world, isn’t anywhere near what is necessary to
meet its (Paris) commitments”.
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Kevin Anderson
While the same can be said for the UK and
much of Europe, Anderson stresses that “Ire-
land is a particularly wealthy nation, and it has
wonderful renewable (energy) potential; it also
has a very educated workforce. It has all that is
necessary to make the rapid transition to a low-
carbon energy system and indeed a
much-lower-carbon agriculture system – at the
moment, it is choosing to do very little in that
direction”.
So what about the view propounded by Irish
politicians from Enda Kenny to Simon Coveney,
that climate action is something we can kick
down the road for another five or ten years,
while concentrating on economic development
instead?
That view completely, and I would say, delib-
erately misunderstands the science”, he
retorts. “Its the emissions that we put into the
atmosphere now that really matters…these
build up every single day in the atmosphere”.
As for the oft-quoted argument that Irelands
emissions are a small fraction of the global
total, Anderson replies that every sector, from
aviation and shipping to countries large and
small, makes the argument that it only contrib-
utes a small share of the global total, but every
percent is equally important.
He is scathing of Ireland’s major expansion
of its ruminant-based agriculture sector, believ-
ing the argument that if we don’t produce vast
amount of beef and dairy products here,
someone elsewhere will do it less efficiently, is
bogus. “The climate does not care about (emis-
sions) efficiency, it only cares about absolute
levels of emissions, so if you are going to look
at Ireland you have to look at these absolute
levels.
Measuring ‘efficiency’ of CO2 per kilo of beef
or ton of dairy produce is not, he argues, the
right way to think about it. “If you are really con-
cerned about feeding the world, then you
measure it in terms of the CO2 per useful calorie
you produce – that will almost certainly mean
you will have to move away from the types of
agriculture that have innately very high green-
house-gas emissions”.
Anderson describes the types of measure-
ments being deployed to promote the ‘Origin
Green’ image of Irish agriculture as “inappropri
-
ate and misleading. A staunch public defender
of agricultural emissions is retired UCD meteor-
ologist, Professor Ray Bates, who has
repeatedly argued against an ‘over-alarmist’
response to climate change that might, in some
way, curtail our beef and diary sectors.
Bates’ principal argument is that ‘climate
sensitivity’ to CO2 may be on the lower end of
the scale. Anderson is unimpressed.
“I think it would be a foolish mistake to go
down the ‘lets keep our fingers crossed that
climate sensitivity is on the low end’ dead-end,
despite the fact that by far and away the major-
ity of scientists think its likely to be on the
middle to the upper end of the (sensitivity)
spectrum”. What’s at stake, after all, is the hab-
itability of the entire planet, and who would
want to leave that to the toss of a coin?”.
Anderson knows only too well the appetite
among politicians, policy-makers and parts of
the media for people who are prepared to down-
play the risks and urgency, but believes that
only by acting now in line with the scientific
advice can potentially disastrous and irrevers-
ible damages be avoided.
Quite how close we already are to the point
of no return, no one can say for certain, but
there is growing consensus that +1.5C, rather
As for the argument that Ireland’s emissions are a
small fraction of the global total, Anderson replies
that every sector, from aviation to shipping to
countries large and small, makes the argument
that it only contributes a small share
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than +2C, should be the upper limit before
really dire consequences become locked in.
The findings emerging from climate science
pose “fundamental questions about how we
have framed modern society, the whole concept
of economic growth, of progress – all of the
things that have served us very well until now.
Indeed the 1.5C ‘target’ was in the end included
in the Paris Agreement. Unfortunately, based
on current emissions, the total carbon budget
for this target will have been exceeded within
the next seven or eight years".
He believes the model of constant economic
growth is fundamentally at odds with efforts at
stabilising the global climate system.
“As scientists, its hard for us to say this, as
it sounds like we’re touting a political message,
but I think its just the political implications of
our science”. Truly accepting the science means
making hard choices, profoundly challenging
our own entitlement to lead high-emissions
lifestyles:
“Quite a few of us on the physics side have
run scared of questioning the economics side,
but we’ve had physics for over 13 billion years
somehow we think this ephemeral growth para-
digm is more important than fundamental
physics”.
Anderson hasn’t flown, in over a decade. He
thinks the symbolism is important. “Every facet
of aviation is playing against the agenda of
avoiding dangerous climate change”. He
believes that it’s incumbent on people like him
to be morally consistent on emissions if they
really take their work seriously.
The changes being wrought by climate change
this century are, he says, playing out almost as
rapidly as the fallout from previous meteor
strikes. “From a geological point of view, we are
hitting the planet that fast, that hard – and con-
sciously. We know we are doing it, and we know
we can do something to avert it.
Anderson is sceptical about the efcacy of
carbon taxes, but does see merit in the notion
of individual ‘carbon rations’ being allocated.
This could mean that poorer people could
receive net income transfers, while wealthier
people would be heavily penalised for persist-
ing in a carbon-intensive lifestyle. The
advantage he sees in this system, apart from
social equity, is that the wealthy in society typi-
cally drive innovation, but only when the price
signals are clear.
He sees financial transfers from high-emit-
ting countries to the lower-emitters not as
charity but as reparations. “We have imposed
on other parts of the world huge levels of
damage and… we have constrained their ways
of resolving these problems”.
The proposed transfer of $100bn a year is, he
points out, less than one fiftieth of the annual
subsidies propping up fossil fuel usage.
“Despite what we on islands on the western
edge of Europe might think, we are not insu-
lated from the impacts of increased foods
costs, of migration and military tension. All of
those things will play out in the UK and across
Ireland, he adds.
Anderson is deeply troubled by the plight of
other species. “We have removed ourselves
from the natural world, when we are really part
of it, and completely reliant upon it…seeing our
-
selves as separate (from nature) has been part
of the problem here”. Earth sciences are, he
says, giving us “as clear a warning as we should
ever need that we have to do something very
rapidly.
A crucial motivation for Anderson, beyond
just the science, is his sense of wonder, mixed
with growing alarm, for the natural world.
There is a beauty to our planet, not as a
static Victorian view of it…the dynamics, the
beauty of evolution on our planet, and what we
have done, consciously and knowingly, is we
have come in like the meteorite and we are
destroying that process overnight…and we’re
not prepared to make the changes to avoid
doing this. To destroy this place of absolute
beauty…we have the arrogance to think we can
destroy, not just ourselves, but take the rest of
it with us”.
Asked to gaze into the crystal ball of the
world between now and mid-century, he
responds:
The chances are we are going to carry on
choosing to fail. We will make the right noises
and sometimes for the right reasons, but with
the wrong reasoning; the issue about all this is
time.
We are choosing not to take notice of our sci-
ence, and even those of us who work on science
are not being vociferous enough about the
misuse of our science by policy-makers and by
wider society". He concludes. “We’re all in this
collective delusion together. We are choosing
to fail – but we could also choose to succeed”.
A full video recording of the interview with
Kevin Anderson is available at
www.thinkorswim.ie
The climate does not care
about (emissions) efficiency,
it only cares about absolute
levels of emissions
Anderson is sceptical
about the efficacy of
carbon taxes, but does
see merit in the notion of
individual ‘carbon rations’
being allocated

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