
48 July-August
Well, to put it mildly, it didn’t work out that
way. You can watch the debate on Youtube.
Allan chose the title of the debate (it was
then tweaked very slightly by the moderator):
“Is livestock grazing essential to mitigating
climate change?”.
But on the night, he flatly refused to discuss
or even address the motion. He rambled about
military strategy, history, art, music and his
own career, and repeated one word over and
over: “oxidation”. He insisted that “oxidation”
occurs in dry places but not wet ones. Sorry,
what??? And that somehow this made all
discussions of climate impacts irrelevant. He
oered no explanation, let alone evidence for
this remarkable proposition.
In fact, he was unable even to say what he
meant by oxidation in this context. Did he
mean decomposition? If so, why use
“oxidation” instead? I can find no scientific
justification for the use of the word in this
context. But he used it so often that I started
thinking about General Jack D Ripper in Dr
Strangelove, endlessly raging about “bodily
fluids”.
In any case, it took us not one inch towards
resolving the motion of the debate. But as a
tactic, it was pretty eective. After all, you
can’t argue with mystical obscurantism. And
I must admit that it threw me. By the time I got
up to speak, I was so spun out by his tidal
wave of non-sequiturs and meaningless woo
that 30 seconds into my response I lost my
train of thought. This doesn’t happen very
often.
Anyway, I recovered suciently to make my
points. I argued that if you are to show that
livestock grazing could mitigate climate
change, let alone is “essential” to it, you
would need to demonstrate that the following
conditions are met:
1. Carbon must be stored in the soil (not
just sequestered). You need to show, meeting
tests of statistical significance, that storage
is sustained across meaningful time
periods[1]. Any demonstrated carbon storage
must be additional, verifiable, and
attributable to the presence of livestock.
2. Any carbon storage has to outweigh the
current-account emissions of the livestock
operation: enteric methane, nitrous oxide, the
carbon dioxide produced by machinery, feed,
transport, slaughter, packing .…
3. Any carbon storage in the soil must also
outweigh the capital account greenhouse gas
losses: in other words the carbon opportunity
costs of not having the wild ecosystem
(including wild herbivores) that could
otherwise have occupied the same land,
minus the carbon costs of producing protein
by alternative means. This carbon opportunity
cost consists of a combination of below-
ground and above-ground carbon, both of
which should be accounted.
I argued that, after an exhaustive search, I
debate in the certainty that I would be routed
either fell uncharacteristically silent or
frantically sought excuses for Allan’s bizarre
and self-destructive performance. Some of
them claimed it was the wrong debate: we
should have been discussing a dierent
motion, or that I should have had it with
someone else, some mysterious personage
whom, despite repeated requests, they were
unable to name.
Some of them resorted to the same kind of
obscurantist wae that Allan deployed. They
claimed I didn’t understand the “deep
meaning” of the things he said. It’s true: not
only did I not understand it, I was unable to
detect it. But they have been unable to explain
it either. Nor, it seems, can Allan. If someone
can’t make themselves clear, it’s a strong
indication that they don’t know what they’re
talking about.
Several of them, including members of the
Savory Network, tried to explain the debate
as a clash between “holism” (Allan) and
“reductionism” (me). Reductionism is a term
often used by people who are freaked out by
empirical evidence. In reality, this was a clash
between handwaving and scientific evidence.
And sorry, but mystifying wae is the exact
opposite of holistic.
These desperate excuses merely highlight
the blow that this variety of greenwash
suered on that day in Oxford. Of course, the
apologists for this devastating industry will
not give up. They never do. They will find
another story, another way of duping people
who don’t have the time or resources to
investigate their claims. So this is no kind of
victory. But at least it will now be harder for
Allan Savory and his network to keep spraying
the particular variety of bullshit with which
they have splattered this issue, for so long
and to such great eect.
I promised a list of references, with key quotes,
for the statements I made in the talk. They can
be found at https://www.monbiot.
com/2023/08/02/all-hat-and-no-cattle/. This
article first appeared on www.monbiot.com
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could not find a study anywhere in the
scientific literature which shows these
conditions being met. On the contrary, I found
an abundance of evidence showing that these
conditions are highly unlikely to be met under
any circumstances, and that livestock grazing
– whether of Allan’s variety or any other –
contributes significantly to global heating.
How did Allan respond? He didn’t. He simply
repeated what he said in his presentation. He
didn’t even attempt to explain how it related
to the matter in hand. I kept trying to pull the
discussion back to the motion we were
supposed to be debating, to no avail. Instead,
he airily dismissed the importance of carbon
dioxide and methane. It was a weird and
meandering form of climate science denial. So
why did he insist on the title?
I can’t deny that I feel pretty angry about it.
I took the debate seriously and spent a long
time preparing, ensuring I was completely up
to date with the scientific literature. But he
showed no sign of having thought about it, let
alone of ensuring he was capable of
addressing his own motion. It was giant
exercise in trolling – wasting everybody’s
time. I felt conned. But I felt worse for his fans,
some of whom had travelled to Oxford from
Scotland and Wales to hear him.
The debate was a powerful vindication of
the Bullshit Asymmetry Principle, otherwise
known as Brandolini’s Law:
The amount of energy needed to refute
bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than
that needed to produce it.
Except in this case, given the time I put into
preparing for the debate and the complete
absence of apparent research, thought or
preparation on Allan’s side, I would say it was
more like two or three orders of magnitude.
Anyway, I’ve seldom seen such a
spectacular implosion. The livestock farmers
who were crowing and strutting before the